(As I announced elsewhere, after this week I'll go back to my previous format. Writing in this style is stressful. But then, sue to an issue with my schedule, I didn't even begin this final dialogue post until 9:23 PM on Sunday. To be honest, I just wanna get it over with. My bedtime is 10:30. I hope to be done at 10. And 3...2...1...)
The group is later talking about this turn of fortune.
and Mordor, and how it worked. Much is explained.’ [said Aragorn]
it has long been said: oft evil will shall evil mar.’
"Evil is inherently selfish. It seeks to hoard the profit. The Free Peoples cooperate. The destruction of the Ring will benefit them all. Well, perhaps not the Elves."
"So though Isengard and Mordor were linked, only one could ever have the Ring."
"It is, of course, the One Ring."
"Is that what makes it evil, perhaps? That it, by its nature, cannot be shared? Cooperation with the Ring is not possible. Only patronage, or dependency."
"If evil is inherently selfish, is being selfish inherently evil?"
"Evil may be a strong word for all situations. But we should promote selflessness or selfishness whenever we can."
"Can being selfless ever be evil?"
"That seems unlikely, unless one is only feigning selflessness - but then one is not being selfless."
"The Elves, then, are the most selfless of the races, then. The destruction of the Ring will further their downfall - but they know this is better than the alternative."
"It is wisdom to see two bad alternatives and, rather than despair at the situation, to embrace the better one."
"Except that the eucatastrophe suggests always delaying. Good could just be around the corner."
"Or more evil."
"The evil Theoden speaks of is not the same. Saruman's evil, wanting the Ring for himself, and Sauron's evil, also wanting the Ring for himself."
"Sure sounds the same."
"Well, right, but we said preciously it's not possible for both of them to get it. One evil will shall mar another evil. They cannot both win."
"How can we use this? To ensure multiple evils, so we need not fight them alone?"
"One schoolyard bully surely has more power than two put together. Their struggle for domination would distract them from the actual domination."
"But we cannot empower evil - even to fight it! One bully must fall, and then the other has dominion."
"We could empower dozen, to ensure each is far from total dominion."
"To disempower evil we multiply it??"
"Destroying evil is the ideal, of course. If we cannot, then we should seek to manage it. Evil marring evil is better than evil marring innocent."
"It is as Theoden says - strange!"
"There is another use for this teaching. When deciding if you are good or if you are evil, determine what happens if you win. Will the many benefit, or will you? Will your partners grow equally, or will their dependence on you deepen? If you are serving another, is this because they will empower the many, or are you hoping to get a favorable payoff from them? It may not be evil, exactly, but if all you're doing is rearranging the distribution of power, rather than undermining the power itself, you may not be doing good."
"There is yet another teaching from here. Those who selflessly embrace their own demise, as the Elves do. Do they do so gracefully, or do they do so hoping to reap a reward for their selflessness?"
"Then it is not selfless."
"Exactly. If one wishes to be a martyr, we cannot always stop them. But if one wishes to be a martyr and profit off of it - this is not a trait of the Free Peoples. The Elves embrace their end, though perhaps with reluctance. Theoden learns to embrace the evil days he has inherited. Sam, and especially Frodo, will embrace the hopelessness and the costs of the Task. It is Saruman, and Gollum, and Denethor who will rage madly against it - who will claim their sacrifices have not been compensated, their genius not recognized. Watch out for those people, who claim payment nobody feels is owed. It is the responsibility of each to give what they can, and to request what they believe is fairness in return. If the agreement is not acknowledged, that is injustice. But to freely give, and then demand a price later - that is a greater injustice."
*Ding! 10:02*
"Aah, we come to the end."
"It has been good talking to you, my friend."
"And you as well. Join me by the river?"
"Where we can discuss ethics?"
"That, and so much more."
The two interlocutors leave their house of study, take off their shoes, and sit with their feet in the cool river. Reaching into their pockets, they take out a cake of lembas bread, unwrap the leaves around it, and make a toast.
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